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The Chinese language group[កែប្រែ]

In the Chinese language group, a level two language header needs to have a corresponding ISO 639-3 language code for an individual (as opposed to macro) language. The level two language header shall use whatever the ISO 639-3 describes for that language. For the sake of simplicity, the word "Chinese" should be omitted (for example, "Mandarin" rather than "Mandarin Chinese"). The only exception to this rule is for Yue Chinese (Cantonese), since the word Yue is virtually unknown to the average English speaker and Cantonese is widely recognized in English. Within a language, dialects or variations are identified by tagging the pronunciations and the senses (definition lines) with the dialect or region in which they are used. This is the same as with other language groups. Archived discussions and decisions on this topic can be found at:

The languages, with the standard names used in the Wiktionary are:

Cantonese
Gan
Hakka
Huizhou
Jinyu
Mandarin
Min Bei
Min Dong
Min Nan
Min Zhong
Pu-Xian
Wu
Xiang

There are also many more languages that are not dialects of these 13 that are spoken in China, and have ISO 639 codes, from Achang to Hmong to Manchu to Uyghur to Yi to Zhuang, and many in between. These are not addressed here.

Character forms and romanization[កែប្រែ]

Chinese words have at least three common forms:

  • Traditional characters, as used in Taiwan,
  • Simplified characters, as used in PRC (this may agree exactly or approximately with the traditional character), and
  • Romanized forms, of which there may be more than one.

Every entry should list and link to all alternative forms (including all romanizations); there are a number of templates listed in #Entry format that can assist with this, of which {{cmn-noun}} is representative.

It appears that entries are duplicated between traditional and simplified forms, so as not to prioritize one form over the other, and these entries link to each other. See #Hanzi form templates below for templates to assist with this.

Headwords that are romanizations point to both the traditional and simplified forms, but do not duplicate all entries with that pronunciation, instead having a “Pinyin” L3 heading (likewise for other romanizations), linking to characters with that reading; see ài.

Collation[កែប្រែ]

There does not appear to be a consensus on how to collate (order) entries such as “Derived terms” or “Compounds” in Chinese entries. For romanized entries, usual alphabetical order is correct, but for Chinese characters, one might use either a phonetic ordering or radical-and-stroke sorting, as both are used in Chinese dictionaries.

Entry format[កែប្រែ]

This has been the subject of much discussion in Beer Parlor and on the user pages of individual contributors. For a basic outline on out how to create a Chinese entry, see How to Create a Basic Chinese Entry. A preliminary consensus has been reached whereby Chinese entries will have a level two header that matches a specific language in the Chinese family of languages. Chinese entries should follow format guidelines in Entry layout explained. However, there are a few issues unique to Chinese. Templates have been created to address many of these issues (see: Category:Chinese templates). For example:

==Mandarin==
{{zh-forms|[[曾经沧海难为水]]|[[曾]][[經]][[滄海]][[難]][[為]][[水]]}}
===Idiom===
{{cmn-idiom|t|pin=céng jīng cānghǎi nán wéi shuǐ|pint=ceng2jing1cang1hai3nan2wei2shui3|tra=曾經滄海難為水|sim=曾经沧海难为水|rs=曰08}}

曾經滄海難為水 and 井底之蛙 are both good examples of how Chinese entries should ideally be formatted. Two of the Chinese languages have a full set of templates at this time.

The script template for Chinese characters is {{Hani}}.

Cantonese[កែប្រែ]

Templates:

For other parts of speech, use Template:infl:

{{infl|yue|(pos)|script=Hani|...}} (ex. 自行車 - > {{infl|yue|noun|traditional||Jyutping|zi6 hang4 ce1|simplified|自行车}})

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Romanizations[កែប្រែ]

Recall that the standard romanizations of Cantonese are:

Gan[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|gan|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Hakka[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|hak|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Huizhou[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|czh|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.


Jinyu[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|cjy|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Mandarin[កែប្រែ]

Templates:

Romanizations[កែប្រែ]

Recall that the standard romanizations of Mandarin are:

Tone sandhi[កែប្រែ]

សូមមើលផងដែរ w:Standard Chinese phonology#Tone sandhi

Some Mandarin dictionaries are inconsistent when it comes to depicting tone sandhi in Pinyin. For example, the character (normally bù - fourth tone) is changed to second tone (bú) when followed by another fourth tone syllable. Some dictionaries spell it with the converted tones (búshì in this case, ex. HSK汉语水平考试词典, ISBN 7561720785), while others use the root tones (bùshì, ex. 现代汉语词典, ISBN 9620701348). For Wiktionary entries, it is advisable to always use the root tone for syllables when spelling words in Pinyin (bùshì). This is also more consistent with how tone sandhi is handled in other situations in Mandarin. For example, 可以 is kěyǐ, even though the first syllable changes to second tone (pronounced: kéyǐ).

Min Bei[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|mnp|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Min Dong[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|cdo|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Min Nan[កែប្រែ]

The Min Nan language family has four main branches. Two of the four may be encountered outside of China. This poses a problem for Wiktionary, since these dialects are not mutually intelligible,[១] and only one L2 header may be used per ISO 639 code. Since Min Nan is the official name for the ISO 639 code of nan, it must be used as the L2 header. To date, virtually all entries for Min Nan have been based on the Amoy dialect, which is widely considered to be a de facto standard. The disposition of other dialects such as Teochew and Qiongwen Hainanese remains undecided at this time. If you are fluent in one of those languages, and have an interest in adding words to Wiktionary, please post a message on Wiktionary:Beer parlour. If there is interest, we will try to work something out.

Templates:

Romanization[កែប្រែ]

Recall that the standard romanization of Min Nan is POJ.

Min Zhong[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|czo|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Pu-Xian[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|cpx|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Wu[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|wuu|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Xiang[កែប្រែ]

Use Template:infl:

{{infl|hsn|(pos)|script=Hani|...}}

where (pos) is the part of speech and the remainder is the other forms. See the documentation.

Other entry sections[កែប្រែ]

Etymology[កែប្រែ]

If possible, it is desirable for entries to have etymologies, showing earlier pronunciations, spellings (if hanzi usage has changed), and semantic change (change in meaning).

For terms or phrases that can be traced back to Literary Chinese, you may wish to use the etymology template in the form {{etyl|lzh|cmn}} (where cmn is the Modern Chinese language in which the term is used).

References[កែប្រែ]

Like other Wikimedia projects, Wiktionary is largely the work of anonymous volunteers. Therefore it is important to cite authoritative reference works such as dictionaries and encyclopedias. The {{pedialite}} template is a good choice if you want to cite a Wikipedia article. If matching articles in Chinese and English can be found on Wikipedia (particularly true for nouns), you can use the {{pedialite}} template in the following manner:

*{{pedialite|剪刀|lang=zh}}
*{{pedialite|scissors}}

In the references section, it will look like:

References

For external websites, you can use the {{cite web}} template. Here is an example:

===References===

  • "剪刀 (in Mandarin)." Guoyu Cidian On-line Mandarin Dictionary (國語辭典). URL accessed on 2008-04-09.


Reference books[កែប្រែ]

For books, you can use the {{reference-book}} template. For your convenience, the filled out templates for some authoritative reference works are provided (click on the blue edit button to copy):

===References===

Chinese Categories[កែប្រែ]

Mandarin, Cantonese, and Min Nan subdivide their existing topical and part-of-speech-level categories by script. This means that while a given category, such as Category:Min Nan nouns, will contains terms in all scripts there will be several subcategories that contain only terms in specific scripts, such as Category:Min Nan nouns in simplified script, Category:Min Nan nouns in traditional script, and Category:Min Nan nouns in POJ script.

Hanzi form templates[កែប្រែ]

To display various forms of Hanzi, it is recommended that Chinese entries make use of the following templates (in addition to the above):

{{zh-forms}}[កែប្រែ]

simplified

汉字

traditional

漢字

This template, {{zh-forms}}, should be placed below the language header.

Ideally, the characters should be hyperlinked as follows: link to the entire phrase for different forms, and component words for the given form. In more detail:

Simplified entries[កែប្រែ]

simplified

太极

traditional

太極拳

The simplified characters should be linked according to longest component words. If no compound words exist within the entry, then the individual characters should be hyperlinked.

The entire traditional phrase should be linked so that the user may conveniently navigate to the companion traditional entry (there are cases where simplified and traditional entries contain slightly different information).

Traditional entries[កែប្រែ]

simplified

太极拳

traditional

太極

The traditional characters should be linked according to longest component words. If no compound words exist within the entry, then the individual characters should be hyperlinked.

The entire simplified phrase should be linked so that the user may conveniently navigate to the companion simplified entry (there are cases where simplified and traditional entries contain slightly different information).

Pinyin entries[កែប្រែ]

simplified

太极拳

traditional

太極拳

The entire simplified phrase and the entire traditional phrase should be hyperlinked to allow for easy navigation to the simplified and traditional entries (which often contain additional information that is lacking in the Pinyin entry).

{{zh-hanzi}}[កែប្រែ]

ធម្មតា និង ប្រពៃណី
功夫

This template may be used in cases where the word is the same in both simplified and traditional. The template should be placed in the same location as where {{zh-forms}} would have been.

{{ja-forms}}[កែប្រែ]

shinjitai

simplified

翻译

traditional

翻譯

This template can be used in cases where you would like to illustrate the difference between the Japanese simplified kanji form, the PRC simplified form, and the traditional form. The template would be used in place of {{zh-forms}}.

{{zh-ts}}[កែប្រែ]

This template may be used in places where both the simplifed and traditional versions should be placed side by side (ex. translations section for English entries).

Additional help[កែប្រែ]

Help from the community[កែប្រែ]

Sometimes, we know there is a problem, but don't know what to do to correct the problem. If you should find a Chinese entry with a problem that you do not know how to correct, there are several ways to approach the situation.

  1. Mark the page with {{zh-attention}}. This template adds the entry to Category:Chinese words needing attention, where another user can then find and correct the problem. It helps if you include comments on the entry's talk page explaining what the problem is or why you think the page needs attention.
  2. Raise the issue on Wiktionary talk:About Sinitic languages. Note that this approach is primarily for issues of style, formatting, categorization, and not for specifics of content.
  3. Mark the page with {{rfc}}. this is a more general cleanup tag, and it allows the user to include reasons or concerns as an argument in the template. Be sure to also add an entry to WT:RFC concerning the word so that other editors will be made aware of the problem.

Translations into Chinese languages/dialects/topolects[កែប្រែ]

  1. All translations into Chinese languages must be grouped under * Chinese. Subdialects can be sub-nested. Regional variations can be flagged with {{qualifier}}
* Chinese:
*: Mandarin: {{t|zh|肥皂|tr=féizào|sc=Hani}}
*: Min Nan: {{t|nan|雪文|tr=sat-bûn}} {{qualifier|Zhangzhou}}, {{t|nan|茶塊|tr=tê-kóe}} {{qualifier|Quanzhou}} ...
  1. The traditional precedes the simplified version if they are different and the transliteration is provided with the simplified version.
* Chinese:
*: Mandarin: {{t|zh|心理學|sc=Hani}}, {{t|zh|心理学|tr=xīnlǐxué|sc=Hani}}
  1. If translation is both simplified and traditional, only one translation is given.
* Chinese:
*: Mandarin: {{t|zh|三明治|tr=sānmíngzhì|sc=Hani}}

Other Chinese aids[កែប្រែ]